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how to measure the height of a tower with a barometer

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(idea) by AntonZ (3.3 wk) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Thu Sep 28 2000 at 23:06:55

A Physics student who got the following question in an exam: "You are given an accurate barometer, how would you use it to determine the height of a skyscraper?"

1: He answered:
"Go to the top floor, tie a long piece of string to the barometer, let it down 'till it touches the ground and measure the length of the string".

The examiner wasn't satisfied, so they decided to interview the guy:
"Can you give us another method, one which demonstrates your knowledge of Physics ?"

2: "Sure, go to the top floor, drop the barometer off, and measure how long before it hits the ground......"

"Not, quite what we wanted, care to try again ?"
3: "Make a pendulum of the barometer, measure its period at the bottom, then measure its period at the top......"

"..another try ?...."
4: "Measure the length of the barometer, then mount it vertically on the ground on a sunny day and measure its shadow, measure the shadow of the skyscraper....."

"....and again ?...."
5: "walk up the stairs and use the barometer as a ruler to measure the height of the walls in the stairwells."

"...One more try ?"
6: "Find where the janitor lives, knock on his door and say 'Please, Mr Janitor, if I give you this nice Barometer, will you tell me the height of this building ?"

There are many more ways, for instance:
7: To which the less polite alternative is to threaten to wallop the caretaker with the barometer unless they tell you how high the building is.

The just-released book, "Expert C Programming (Deep C Secrets)", Peter van der Linden, SunSoft/Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-177429-8, lists twenty-one (21) more or less useful ways to measure the height of a building with a barometer.

8: Use the barometer as a paperweight while examining the building plans.

9: Sell the barometer and buy a tape measure.

10: Use a barometer to reflect a laser beam from the top and measure the travel time.

11: Track the shadow of the building positioning a barometer on the ground every hour.

12: Create an explosion on the top and measure the time for the pressure depression indicated on the barometer.

(idea) by moJoe (1.1 wk) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Fri Sep 29 2000 at 1:43:27

Yes, by measuring the pressure at ground level, measuring the pressure at the top of the building and then applying the correct formulae (unbeknownst to me) for atmospheric pressure changes in relation to height to the difference in pressure, you could come up with a reasonable estimate for the height of the structure. This is exactly how an Altimeter works, by the way.




It is also worth pointing out that this exact same node is to be found under Niels Bohr and in a much more accurate recounting of the actual story too, I might add.

(idea) by dolphinboy (6.7 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Fri Sep 29 2000 at 13:24:35

I posed this question to a PhD friend of mine. His reaction:

"5: "walk up the stairs and use the barometer as a ruler to measure the height of the walls in the stairwells."

I like this one. Then you have the height in barometers, or I guess that should really be barometREs. If I remember correctly, "baro" is latin for 0.17643258, so one barometre equals about 17.643258 centimetres.

He's so full of trivial information. No wonder I like him.


(person) by Spuunbenda (1.1 d) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 4 C!s Fri Sep 29 2000 at 13:43:58

Evidence on www.snopes.com and elsewhere suggests this story is probably a 1958 fabrication by one Alexander Calandra rather than an actual anecdote about Niels Bohr as related by Ernest Rutherford. It is nevertheless amusing and instructive, and an excellent answer to the question posed by the node title.

According to the legend, Bohr took a physics-degree exam at the University of Copenhagen which had the following question: "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

Bohr replied: "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building."

This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that Bohr was failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics.

For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which Bohr replied that he had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to hurry up, he replied as follows:

"First, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5gt2. But bad luck on the barometer.

"Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper.

"But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2π√(l / g).

"Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up.

"If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building. But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

That is thinking outside the box from a Nobel Prize-winner.


Thanks to factgirl and Ourobouros for gently prodding me to dig a little deeper into the truth here.


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