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Spirituality has nothing to do with religion

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(idea) by Saige (1.2 y) (print)   ?   1 C! I like it! Sat Nov 13 1999 at 14:25:44

Something that many people seem to forget.

Spirituality is something that is not tied directly to any religion, or to religion at all. It is totally possible to be atheist, and yet still be spiritual.

So I don't feel spiritual because I wake up on Sunday morning and sing hymns about God. Doesn't mean anything other than that I can sleep in.

I find my spirituality from contemplating the size of the universe. Or appreciating the beauty of a flower.


(idea) by blaaf (5 mon) (print)   ?   1 C! I like it! Wed Mar 29 2000 at 16:12:51

A good example of semantic nonsense. Yeah, spirituality has nothing to do with religion, and knowledge has nothing to do with learning, and verbosity has nothing to do with language, blah blah blah.

Great, so some people like to call themselves spiritual and some of these people love to rag on religion like a dog loves to roll on rotting corpses. That's fine, but to state that spirituality ("the quality or state of being spiritual; incorporeality; heavenly-mindedness") has NOTHING to do with religion ("the outward act or form by which men indicate their recognition of the existence of a god or of gods having power over their destiny, to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power, whether by profession of belief, by observance of rites and ceremonies, or by the conduct of life; a system of faith and worship; a manifestation of piety") is to define your own little language and your own little logic and your own little world.

Connection: Spirituality is heavenly-mindedness. Religion is heavenly-minded practice. Religion therefore generally inspires spirituality. I'm not saying religion is always spiritual or spirituality is always religious (Personally, I think an indefinite concept of vague spirituality is of little value. Go watch Life-change TV with Oprah for that.), but that to say they have no connection is anti-religious dogma. Got that, dolphin?


(idea) by sensei (6.4 y) (print)   ?   1 C! I like it! Wed Mar 29 2000 at 16:53:00

Even spirituality sounds suspicious because of the vast array of meanings that can lean the term this way or that. Heidegger felt that National Socialism was a primarily spiritual movement. Is there a word that is clear of confusion? I don't think so. But it is good to be both playful and careful of what we say, hear, and respond to.

(idea) by futurebird (2.2 y) (print)   ?   I like it! Sun Apr 15 2001 at 1:48:40

I am a `strong atheist' and I would never claim to be spiritual. That would go against the idea that in the world there is (probably) nothing much more than people and stuff. The best we can do is try to make each other happy . . you get the idea. It annoys me when people who say they are atheists try to say they are spiritual too. It is connected to religion and the godless (like myself) have no claim on it. Just like religion, spirituality is just there to make people feel better instead of embracing (and trying to heal) all of the ugliness in the world. Let it go (if you can stand to.)

Call me an anti-religious fanatic.

(idea) by Outer_Real (5.2 mon) (print)   ?   I like it! Wed Oct 01 2003 at 20:12:44

It is strange that the people annoyed most by the tendency of individuals to call themselves spiritual but not religious are not religious believers, but atheists.

It is primarily caused by the fact that people love the central philosophy of most religions, since it is all about being nice to people and a theoretical world where they are nice back. But they are put off by the priests, imams and gurus who keep making rules, not from a feeling of love, but from their own egos.

So you would think that it would be religious authorities who would get angry about people saying they are not religious, but still feel connected to the heavenly realm. But they don't, possibly because they are too busy telling their remaining flock what to do/ not to do.

Instead, it is atheists who make a fuss about it. When all beliefs about a reality beyond what we can know with out worldly senses came from religion, it was easy to laugh off - religion was a form of control, a way of making money, the powerful manipulating the weak. It was the Tyrant's tool for making his subjects submissive; "I may be fucking you over today, but don't worry, you'll be rewarded in heaven". But now, today, the masses are (in general) not being manipulated by anyone (so directly), yet they still choose to believe the same kind of things as before. Proving the 19th Century atheist dogma was (at least partially) wrong.

But of course, spirituality was around long before religion. Human beings are naturally spiritually inclined: it is unnatural to deny what cannot be disproved, just because it cannot be proved either. Rejecting religion but upholding Spirituality is about telling both the bearded priest and the bearded professor that neither of them have a monopoly on human understanding, and neither have a right to tell you what you believe.

Another trend is for the separation of religion from spirituality without abandoning either. People may insist they are pious, practicing members of their religion, whilst at the same time refusing to accept the mainstream dogma. I would put myself in this category, I'm a Muslim, and but I also do the Latihan of Subud, which I do not believe is incompatible with Islam, but Imams tend to think otherwise.

So it is a perfectly natural, when people are given the freedom to categorise themselves, not to accept the labels formerly stamped upon them. If only we could win the tolerance of those who do not want to believe at all...


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