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How to get your girlfriend to play EverQuest

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(idea) by Shadus (2.1 mon) (print)   ?   I like it! Sat Oct 19 2002 at 17:07:36

Oh lights above, whatever you do do NOT do this...

Trust me. EverCrack is flat out an addiction. Eventually though, as with drug use you will get fed up with the crap and will want to move on with your life.

When this occurs and your girlfriend continues to play the game, it will suck you back in. Over and Over and Over.

Eventually if you are really lucky (like me) they will leave you for everquest because to quote "It is what I need in my life right now" -Ady 9/2002... or to paraphrase "You don't play and all my friends are on here and when you want to do things in real life it takes me away from them and the raids and the ph4t l3wt y0."

Be wise fellows, if your grrl has an addictive personality, do NOT get her involved in everquest. Hell, don't get her involved in everquest regardless, be smart and QUIT WHILE YOU CAN. It's very hard to resolve issues with someone who is only interested in playing a game.

Evil, evil, nasty, addictive game. Although now I understand how my ex felt when I played... and all I can say for the future is never again.

Never. Never. Never. Get your woman involved in Everquest and if you are seriously interested in the relationship get yourself uninvolved with that game also if you can't control the amount of time you're spending in it.

(idea) by halftruthskill (4.1 y) (print)   ?   1 C! I like it! Wed Mar 03 2004 at 21:33:15

How to get your girlfriend/wife to play Everquest? Answer: DON'T!!!

Everquest is not called EverCrack without reason. It is highly addictive. I introduced my wife of nearly 20 years to the game as something that the two of us could do together from two computers in the same room. Back in our college days, we both played some RPGs, so it made sense that we might like to play Everquest together.

At first, everthing worked out fine, but then things started happening that were the beginning of her addiction. She started playing more with other people than she played with me. In retrospect, this should have been a red flag, but she seemed to enjoy herself and it didn't strike me as a problem. Over the first year, however, she played EverCrack for more than 2,000 hours.

There are lots of younger guys that play the game constantly and when my wife "hooked up" with some of them from a power guild, they were all over this flirty "real" girl who described herself as a 19 year old nanny in real life. They UBER twinked her and then power leveled the daylights out of her. She went from level 40 to 50 in about a week of constant power leveling (PLing). I began playing more just to try to keep up, which was impossible given the number of hours she was playing and the uber peeps that were PLing her. Not being a flirty woman, I was definitely at a disadvantage. Soon, playing with me was not a challenge and I was not welcome in her circle of EverCrack friends because I could not play enough to be powerful enough to adventure with them.

When she first started playing, she kept her real identity private, but before too long her EverCrack guild members knew more about her life than I did. She started exchanging email with them and deleting all inbound and outbound email automatically to hide her activity. I noticed the change in her email retention, but I trusted her completely. It didn't register that she was getting emotionally involved with the men with whom she played. As I did begin to express concern that she was giving these men playing EverCrack what I was increasingly lacking and wanting most, her attention, she reaasured me that I was being silly, distracted my concerns with a strengthened interest in sex (which, of course, I didn't mind), and increasing accused me of trying to control her when I wanted her not to play so much. This was the first time in over 20 years that we were together that I had any feelings of jealousy. This continued right up to the point our marriage ended.

Yes, I was the victim of an EverCrack induced divorce. At the coaxing of her EverCrack friends, it became a very nasty divorce where she lied and used the kids to maximize her post-divorce benefits.

She was seduced on-line by the men she met playing EverQuest, leading to our separation. I thought we had a very strong marriage. Our friends were floored by our divorce. A year after we were separated, she testified in divorce court that no fewer than five men had flown from every part of the country to spend weekends or vacations with her. That's when she committed adultery. She met all five playing EverCrack.

It seems clear, in retrospect, based on her behavior and unfolding events that she was involved in cybersex with them for months leading up to our separation. She also made frequent trips to see them starting immediately after our separation, but the damage was done through emotional involvement months before.

EverCrack is still her addiction and now a woman that she met playing EverCrack has moved in with her and our two children, who now both play. I have not played since the day of our separation and the game is not allowed in my house. The kids understand this and don't seem to mind. They know how EverCrack contributed to the destruction of our family. In this state and county, unless a mother is shown to be incompetent, she will gain primary custody of children in a divorce 99 times out of a 100. She is a kindergarten teacher with a degree in early childhood education, so showing that she was a bad mother was extremely unlikely. The court doesn't care about fault when it comes to child custody. My attorney wisely advised that I not put myself or the kids through the pain of an attempt to gain custody. Now I monitor the children's well being as best I can from my apartment four blocks away, hoping they will not pay a steeper price in the future than they have already paid due to EverCrack addiction.

It seems that everyone she knows now is related to her EverCrack habit. A permanent injunction placed "due to her conduct" keeps her out of my life today. No relationship is perfect and there were other factors that led to this horrible end, but there is no question in my mind, or to those that knew us, that EverCrack was the catalyst for the destruction of our family. I would have literally done anything to save our family, but I couldn't compete against her EverCrack habit, her maxed-out uber shaman, and her seduction by the men she met playing EverCrack.

Keep your significant other away from EverCrack.


(essay) by Major General Panic (1.5 hr) (print)   ?   4 C!s I like it! Tue Dec 11 2007 at 14:40:24

I recently lost my fiancée to World of Warcraft, but I have a different perspective than the writeups above, and I've come to a radically different conclusion. I'd like to share it with you.

Kelly and I were together for nearly four years, all the way through college. We had what seemed like a perfect relationship. We never fought, we were deeply in love, we could read each other's mind, we liked the same things (that is to say, anything one of us liked, the other would discover that he or she liked too), as well as a lot of deeper reasons that I have trouble putting into words. Many people were jealous of how close and happy we were.

What they weren't jealous of was that we were long distance. Starting after freshman year, and except for a one-semester period during junior year, we were several states apart all of the time. We spoke every night, eventually using video cameras and Skype. We saw each other in person at least once a month, as often as we could with our limited resources. But we were so deeply in love that it didn't seem to matter. When we were together, stars fell around us, skies were always blue, oceans rushed forth no louder than the shared beating of our hearts. We became engaged late junior year.

In around December of sophomore year, two friends of ours encouraged us to begin playing Warcraft. Both were very casual players (one barely made it above level 30 in the entire time he played, which puts you at the level of Severe Noob as far as the Warcraft elite are concerned) and good friends, who offered to let us use their accounts and get in on this fun game.

For a while, it was pretty casual. Kelly didn't really play at first; I was fairly far advanced on a character before she started one on the same account and I had to switch over to the other friend's account and start over (you can't have two people logged in to the same account at the same time). Some people stick with one character in Warcraft and pump all of their time and effort into making it powerful; that was Kelly's pattern. I would get bored with a character after a while, once I was thoroughly used to its play style, and make a new one. It didn't really matter; we had gotten into a guild (an association of players that has its own chat channels, shared resources, and works on large-scale game objectives together) that supported both our play styles.

It became clear after a while that Warcraft was becoming Kelly's life. She had no friends outside of it other than mine, and almost any spare time she didn't spend working on class, eating, sleeping, or talking to me, she would spend on Warcraft. Even when she was working on other things, she would be logged into the game, checking every now and again on what was going on with the guild, answering questions and trading at the auction house.

I didn't mind for a while; she had always had problems socializing, getting out and meeting people, arranging activities (I had pretty much been the driving force behind our relationship), and Warcraft gave her a social circle and a place where she felt empowered. It bothered me after a while that she was spending her entire time in college becoming friends with Internet people when she could be out meeting real people and making friendships that would last her whole life, but she would get defensive and upset when I tried to suggest she go out and make friends on campus (she had transferred to another school than the one I was attending). Anyway, it wasn't all bad: we met a guild member in real life once, and he turned out to be a nice guy whom I'm still friends with.

My most recent birthday coincided with Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement. Since I would be both fasting and occupied all day long in services, Kelly was going to come to visit me a week early. Two days before she came, she told me she'd been talking to a guild member a lot recently. That is to say, every night after we got off the phone (I had a day job at this point, and would go to bed at 10) she would call him and they would talk for hours. She said she had feelings for him, and he was going to come visit for a week, starting the day after she returned from visiting him. Alarms started going off, and I begged her not to. She asked me to trust her. I agreed.

The weekend was a blur. I remember only three things clearly. One was hiking with her on a gorgeous day and learning that she had started it after asking me if it was all right to flirt with somebody. I had agreed, thinking she meant being generally flirty (something she had never felt comfortable with) and not realizing it was a specific person. One was her bursting into tears and sobbing while making love with me. And one was my mother's boyfriend, telling me that I was happier and more alive with Kelly than he had ever seen me before.

A week later, the day after my birthday, she told me she wanted to leave me for this man. She had slept with him multiple times during the week he had visited. I spent two weeks begging, but he pulled out every stop getting between me and Kelly. Had her cancel our next visit, went to her apartment and camped out for another week, and called me and lied about how she felt in order to break my spirit. She pulled the classic trick of asking if we could stay best friends. For the first time in our lives together, she betrayed my trust, betrayed it over and over again. Every promise she made about him and how she would handle things, she shattered at his urging.

It wrecked me. I became suicidally depressed, began therapy and started leaning on my friends like I never had before. Slowly, I recovered. I'm happier again now. You guys may have noticed that I stopped noding for a while, except for one piece of poetry I wrote to her.

But do I blame Warcraft? No. I blame Kelly, and I blame myself. She had serious problems that made Warcraft a more valid social life than the real world, and she would not have gone to another man and started flirting with him if there weren't real problems with our relationship. I'm not telling you everything about us — there are other psychological problems that she has that lead me to believe it wasn't so much that the relationship was broken as she was doing the most self-destructive things she could, and I had some deep-seated, long-term problems that I've begun to work through with my therapist — but I respect her privacy and need mine enough not to air all our dirty laundry. She has since estranged most of her real-life friends (basically my friends) because she didn't want them asking questions about her new beau.

The man she is with now is an ass. I know that it's standard to react this way, but even in the game, he has a reputation for being a petty, mean-spirited person who thinks he knows everything, who will insult anybody who makes the slightest mistake. He turned down a college scholarship in order to try to move in with Kelly, he has been unemployed for months and isn't looking for a job, and recently, despite the fact that he's unemployed and trying to support a family that really needs the money, he bought a new Mustang. He encouraged a woman he claimed to love to skip classes, lie to her family, cheat on her fiancé and abandon her friends. He's a homophobe, a budding alcoholic, a chain smoker. (You may wonder how I know about all of this; Kelly didn't keep many secrets from me, even at the end.) The empowerment of landing a man, being the active agent, even if it's somebody who's horrible for her, has allowed Kelly to overlook many, many problems in him and the way that they came together.

It's become pretty clear to me that although Warcraft was the enabler, the problems were there beforehand. At the point where she was unable to talk to me three nights out of the week because the guild needed her to be playing and on voice chat, she was free to tell them "no," but decided not to. The fact that she chose the virtual world instead of the real world tells me that she was looking for an easy escape. For a different person, it may have become a drug addiction, but her escape had always been isolation: she spent the time in high school before she found Warcraft pent up in her room reading instead of going out to meet people.

I could blame Warcraft for what happened. But it wouldn't change the fact that there are plenty of people who treat it as just a game and have healthy lives anyway. I myself got bored of the game and quit a couple times, and came back when I had played other games and got bored with them; I never saw it as more important than my friends and loved ones. In fact, I've noded the game a whole bunch. If somebody destroys a marriage, an engagement, or even a casual partnership as a result of Warcraft, Everquest, Guild Wars, Firefly, or any MMO, it isn't because the game forced her to. It's because she has serious problems that need to be addressed.

It's the same as any other addiction. Blaming the drug for ruining somebody's life isn't nearly as helpful as asking why the person turned to the drug in the first place. You can't be angry at a marijuana addict*. You're only making it worse. But when you help them, give them the kindness and support they need, and more than anything, love them, you can change their life. It's too late for Kelly. But it may not be too late for the people you love.

*I choose marijuana because it's a psychological addiction, not a chemical dependency on the drug. It seems more appropriate.


A grateful "thank you" goes out to everybody who has shared their kind thoughts with me after reading this. You guys rock.


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